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		<title>By: Andii</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Maggie,
what&#039;s really distressing is that the same thing happened to me about 5 years ago. Uni chaplain, diocesan funding; cutbacks -post pulled: redundancy.

What I&#039;m intrigued by is the fact that when it happens in Winchester rather than in Bradford, it hits the news. Is this Southern bias?

So all these arguments have been made before, and some others by myself and others when it first happened. I&#039;m disappointed that we&#039;ve not learned and done something more about it.

I think that an overlooked aspect of this for the CofE is the issue of diocesan reciprocity. By cutting chaplaincy at a university, a diocese is breaking a tacit pact and freeloads off others. The tacit pact is that parents and students can have a sense of security that wherever a student ends up studying, there will be chaplaincy provision, therefore we all do our bit to make sure that such provision is comprehensive -like the parish system. By withdrawing chaplaincy provision for HE a diocese lets others down in the CofE while its own people can enjoy it elsewhere.

My preffered solution to address this would be to have a national HE chaplaincy service (perhaps taking a cue from the Services) with a pooled budget from diocesan and inherited resources; it is becoming clearer that dioceses can&#039;t be trusted, necessarily, with a key, missional, opportunity.

That said, I actually thing the missional issue is the more important: HE chaplaincy is working with an age group which is becoming detached from church, it is often doing so innovatively and credibly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Maggie,<br />
what&#8217;s really distressing is that the same thing happened to me about 5 years ago. Uni chaplain, diocesan funding; cutbacks -post pulled: redundancy.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m intrigued by is the fact that when it happens in Winchester rather than in Bradford, it hits the news. Is this Southern bias?</p>
<p>So all these arguments have been made before, and some others by myself and others when it first happened. I&#8217;m disappointed that we&#8217;ve not learned and done something more about it.</p>
<p>I think that an overlooked aspect of this for the CofE is the issue of diocesan reciprocity. By cutting chaplaincy at a university, a diocese is breaking a tacit pact and freeloads off others. The tacit pact is that parents and students can have a sense of security that wherever a student ends up studying, there will be chaplaincy provision, therefore we all do our bit to make sure that such provision is comprehensive -like the parish system. By withdrawing chaplaincy provision for HE a diocese lets others down in the CofE while its own people can enjoy it elsewhere.</p>
<p>My preffered solution to address this would be to have a national HE chaplaincy service (perhaps taking a cue from the Services) with a pooled budget from diocesan and inherited resources; it is becoming clearer that dioceses can&#8217;t be trusted, necessarily, with a key, missional, opportunity.</p>
<p>That said, I actually thing the missional issue is the more important: HE chaplaincy is working with an age group which is becoming detached from church, it is often doing so innovatively and credibly.</p>
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		<title>By: Rev. Gini</title>
		<link>http://maggidawn.com/chaplaincy-redundancy/comment-page-1/#comment-7398</link>
		<dc:creator>Rev. Gini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 05:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a chaplain at a small university in Texas (US) and, even though my post is funded by the university, my denomination - Presbyterian Church (USA) - has done the same thing.  Over the last several decades we have systematically taken all of our money and support out of ministry with young adults and I just heard last week of yet another cut.  The church indeed is being short-sighted in regards to this important pastoral ministry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a chaplain at a small university in Texas (US) and, even though my post is funded by the university, my denomination &#8211; Presbyterian Church (USA) &#8211; has done the same thing.  Over the last several decades we have systematically taken all of our money and support out of ministry with young adults and I just heard last week of yet another cut.  The church indeed is being short-sighted in regards to this important pastoral ministry.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhys</title>
		<link>http://maggidawn.com/chaplaincy-redundancy/comment-page-1/#comment-7397</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read that the diocese were only now appointing a stewardship advisor! Phrases including stable door horse bolted spring to mind!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read that the diocese were only now appointing a stewardship advisor! Phrases including stable door horse bolted spring to mind!</p>
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		<title>By: ramtopsrac</title>
		<link>http://maggidawn.com/chaplaincy-redundancy/comment-page-1/#comment-7393</link>
		<dc:creator>ramtopsrac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve both been blogging at the same time - posted this http://ramtopsrac.wordpress.com/2009/11/29/winchester-cut-the-budget-but-the-buck-stops-where/ only to find your post.

What I didn&#039;t say there, but which occurs to me now, is perhaps the system of funding is wrong? I gather that the BBC Solent reporter asked Bishop Michael why the Synod had agreed the previous budget for 2010 before they knew what the parishes would be paying. Presumably he didn&#039;t (like many of us) understand how the system works, and he does sort of have a point. But all charities work the same way don&#039;t they? They can&#039;t do anything else surely by the nature of their means of existence. Could we change the system? I don&#039;t know - I failed accounts at Uni!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve both been blogging at the same time &#8211; posted this <a href="http://ramtopsrac.wordpress.com/2009/11/29/winchester-cut-the-budget-but-the-buck-stops-where/" rel="nofollow">http://ramtopsrac.wordpress.com/2009/11/29/winchester-cut-the-budget-but-the-buck-stops-where/</a> only to find your post.</p>
<p>What I didn&#8217;t say there, but which occurs to me now, is perhaps the system of funding is wrong? I gather that the BBC Solent reporter asked Bishop Michael why the Synod had agreed the previous budget for 2010 before they knew what the parishes would be paying. Presumably he didn&#8217;t (like many of us) understand how the system works, and he does sort of have a point. But all charities work the same way don&#8217;t they? They can&#8217;t do anything else surely by the nature of their means of existence. Could we change the system? I don&#8217;t know &#8211; I failed accounts at Uni!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Godson</title>
		<link>http://maggidawn.com/chaplaincy-redundancy/comment-page-1/#comment-7390</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Godson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d ask how we ended up in such a mess when for years it&#039;s been obvious that a deficit budget in Winchester has eaten up all the reserves. We may be short of vision but it seems we are even more lacking in the ability to see the completely obvious. Perhaps it&#039;s because &quot;inward and backward&quot; is best served by a head stuck in the ground or other place where the sun doesn&#039;t shine, whereas &quot;forward and outward&quot; requires a &quot;heads above parapets&quot; mentality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d ask how we ended up in such a mess when for years it&#8217;s been obvious that a deficit budget in Winchester has eaten up all the reserves. We may be short of vision but it seems we are even more lacking in the ability to see the completely obvious. Perhaps it&#8217;s because &#8220;inward and backward&#8221; is best served by a head stuck in the ground or other place where the sun doesn&#8217;t shine, whereas &#8220;forward and outward&#8221; requires a &#8220;heads above parapets&#8221; mentality.</p>
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