Comments on: Clergy are bullied http://maggidawn.com/clergy-are-bullied/ Author, musician and theologian Wed, 09 May 2012 10:34:09 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: The “bullied” vicar and the dodgy union claims http://maggidawn.com/clergy-are-bullied/comment-page-1/#comment-7771 The “bullied” vicar and the dodgy union claims Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:51:55 +0000 http://maggidawn.com/?p=2669#comment-7771 [...] in the Anglican blogs yesterday over the BBC report on bullied clergy. There are comments from Maggi Dawn, David Keen and the Church Mouse. Mouse notes the place of this story in the ongoing campaign by [...] [...] in the Anglican blogs yesterday over the BBC report on bullied clergy. There are comments from Maggi Dawn, David Keen and the Church Mouse. Mouse notes the place of this story in the ongoing campaign by [...]

]]> By: John http://maggidawn.com/clergy-are-bullied/comment-page-1/#comment-7578 John Thu, 07 Jan 2010 12:30:24 +0000 http://maggidawn.com/?p=2669#comment-7578 Great observations, Mark. I have been pondering for some time the persistence of public school (or even prep school) culture within the church, after some recent experiences of my own. Great observations, Mark. I have been pondering for some time the persistence of public school (or even prep school) culture within the church, after some recent experiences of my own.

]]> By: Mark http://maggidawn.com/clergy-are-bullied/comment-page-1/#comment-7567 Mark Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:46:47 +0000 http://maggidawn.com/?p=2669#comment-7567 Maybe not. But they are exacerbated in clergy context by the lack of employment rights or quasi-employment rights for most non-incumbents. Moreover, for the majority of clergy - with tied accommodation - you lose your job, you lose your home. , plain and simple. And, as I say, there is still a culture of deference in the Church which I haven't experienced to nearly the same extent in other 'establishment' positions I have occupied. This expectation may not always be overt, but it is there nevertheless. Incidentally, it is particularly laughable in cases of evangelicals raised to the episcopacy who expect deference from their clergy, but who themselves wouldn't have dreamt of being told what to do by the 'powers-that-are'. when they were jobbing parish clergy. The situation will, however, will be improved somewhat when the proposed system of 'common tenure' become operative in January 2011. Maybe not. But they are exacerbated in clergy context by the lack of employment rights or quasi-employment rights for most non-incumbents. Moreover, for the majority of clergy – with tied accommodation – you lose your job, you lose your home.
, plain and simple. And, as I say, there is still a culture of deference in the Church which I haven’t experienced to nearly the same extent in other ‘establishment’ positions I have occupied. This expectation may not always be overt, but it is there nevertheless. Incidentally, it is particularly laughable in cases of evangelicals raised to the episcopacy who expect deference from their clergy, but who themselves wouldn’t have dreamt of being told what to do by the ‘powers-that-are’. when they were jobbing parish clergy.

The situation will, however, will be improved somewhat when the proposed system of ‘common tenure’ become operative in January 2011.

]]> By: Tony B http://maggidawn.com/clergy-are-bullied/comment-page-1/#comment-7566 Tony B Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:44:18 +0000 http://maggidawn.com/?p=2669#comment-7566 I don't think those kinds of problems are confined to the clergy by any means. I don’t think those kinds of problems are confined to the clergy by any means.

]]> By: Mark http://maggidawn.com/clergy-are-bullied/comment-page-1/#comment-7562 Mark Tue, 05 Jan 2010 08:50:54 +0000 http://maggidawn.com/?p=2669#comment-7562 There is a very subtle form of bullying people further up the hierarchy can engage in. It usually takes the form of a sustained refusal to answer your questions in the terms in which you put them, and proceeding as if previous conversations hadn't occurred. Further pushes for clarity are then met with visceral expressions of irritation as if one were too obtuse to get the point or just 'being difficult'. The difficulty clergy face isn't just about having difficulties with superiors and putting one's 'job' at risk. The whole domestic ecology is vulnerable: spouses, children, schools, home, the prospects of work outside the church (let alone within). There is a continuing culture of deference at play in the Church- public school writ large to my mind - which is inappropriate in this age and needs to be systematically challenged and expunged. There is a very subtle form of bullying people further up the hierarchy can engage in. It usually takes the form of a sustained refusal to answer your questions in the terms in which you put them, and proceeding as if previous conversations hadn’t occurred. Further pushes for clarity are then met with visceral expressions of irritation as if one were too obtuse to get the point or just ‘being difficult’. The difficulty clergy face isn’t just about having difficulties with superiors and putting one’s ‘job’ at risk. The whole domestic ecology is vulnerable: spouses, children, schools, home, the prospects of work outside the church (let alone within). There is a continuing culture of deference at play in the Church- public school writ large to my mind – which is inappropriate in this age and needs to be systematically challenged and expunged.

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]]> By: Hugh http://maggidawn.com/clergy-are-bullied/comment-page-1/#comment-7554 Hugh Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:08:28 +0000 http://maggidawn.com/?p=2669#comment-7554 I notice it didn't mention the continual bullying of women priests. I notice it didn’t mention the continual bullying of women priests.

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