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   Caroline Too

   On June 7, 2008 at 11:47 am

   Maggi, you (and Jonny) wrote “to have a good wine in 10 years’ time you have to be getting it ready now”
   with a slightly different focus… isn’t that true of ourselves? but so often in the church the call for new wine
   comes with a hope that it will be an instant wine
   instant grace, instant healing, instant holiness…
   maybe we have to ‘lay down’ ourselves for a while to be good wine?

2. 

   Kathryn

   On June 7, 2008 at 12:12 pm

   This is obviously the passage of the week…I read it by mistake at the Weds Eucharist and used it as a springboard to introduce the idea that church might ever look different to the elderly congregation there…then Jonny…now you.
   I suspect that trying to engage at every level with the mixed economy church might leave one in a similar state to one trying to sample all the wine in Oddbins on a Friday evening…and I do worry that many clergy will try.

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   dave paisley

   On June 7, 2008 at 3:25 pm

   Good point. And what about when the “new” from ten, twenty, thirty, even forty years ago becomes the “old”?
   Once upon a time the Rolling Stones were the new, fresh faces. Now, well, who could claim that (if you ever could for Keith Richard)? But they’re a “new” that survived the test of time to become one of the revered “old”.
   On the other hand, from the same era (but apparently a different planet) who remembers Freddie and Dreamers? (well, many of us do, but not always in a good way…)

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   maggi

   On June 12, 2008 at 9:42 am

   I like your idea Caroline, that we have to “lay ourselves down” at times – it does seemt hat there are times in life when no matter how hard we try, nothing new or good comes, and then later great things happen effortlessly. There is something about maturing just by plodding through the ordinary stuff; it’s an unfashionable thought, I suppose, and goes against the grain of a culture where everything is now, instant and on credit.

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   maggi

   On June 12, 2008 at 9:43 am

   Freddie and the Dreamers, Dave? That’s not just old, that’s vintage…
   But I am grateful to St Michael of Jagger for permanently deferring middle age for the rest of us…

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   Bishop Alan

   On June 12, 2008 at 9:46 am

   Thanks, Maggi for a really rich seam — two or three sermons worth at least. We talk a lot about emergence. Perhaps everything has its own pace at which it emerges and matures; the key is to recognise and enjoy it for what it is… but this takes me back to the times in my life I desperately wanted to be older or in some other way different to what I was. I suppose this mirrors old people who pretend to be young. faith = Radical self-awareness/acceptance?