Comments on: lesbian bishop http://maggidawn.com/lesbian-bishop/ Author, musician and theologian Wed, 09 May 2012 10:34:09 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Mark http://maggidawn.com/lesbian-bishop/comment-page-1/#comment-7431 Mark Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:19:27 +0000 http://maggidawn.com/?p=2536#comment-7431 I think Rowan Williams should meditate before the cross and ask the dying Christ " What is your will in this matter for the Church?" It worked for me when I asked God what He thought about me being gay. I was affirmed and strengthened. Practically , I had to leave the "Church" as I just could not face the prejudice and cruelty. Frankly, the "Church" is not worthy of me and my LGBT friends. I am tempted to advise Rowan: "Shut it all down and start again" or " Schism isn't all bad..it was how the Cof E started anyway" I think Rowan Williams should meditate before the cross and ask the dying Christ ” What is your will in this matter for the Church?”

It worked for me when I asked God what He thought about me being gay. I was affirmed and strengthened.

Practically , I had to leave the “Church” as I just could not face the prejudice and cruelty.

Frankly, the “Church” is not worthy of me and my LGBT friends.

I am tempted to advise Rowan: “Shut it all down and start again”
or ” Schism isn’t all bad..it was how the Cof E started anyway”

]]> By: Hadge http://maggidawn.com/lesbian-bishop/comment-page-1/#comment-7430 Hadge Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:12:07 +0000 http://maggidawn.com/?p=2536#comment-7430 I think we may be failing to see that at many junctures in the history of the church there has been transformation through pain. It's part of the deal when you follow a wounded healer I guess. Even in Acts there were diputes and 'extreme' actions - you don't get much more extreme than reshaping a Jewish sect still focused on law in tension with grace into a multicultural movement focussed on grace and not ritualism or law. We forget that the church was born in tension as we try to idealise what we imagine we read in Acts - it was tough right from the start and it hasn't ceased to be tough - we live in tension and as such we run to hide in our own little corners thinking that we have the truth or else we roll over and give up because it's all to hard (I have done both on numerous occasions on my jagged journey of faith). I guess I am more inclined to feel less comfortable with groups gathering to demonize and fabricate bills that are 'anti' anything really. I've just finished writing some thoughts for an Advent Study on the theme of the continual coming of the Christ - this week it is the Affirming Christ - God's "Yes" to humanity. Speaking about Christ Paul says in Corinthians 1 that "his nature is all YES. For in him is found the YES to all God's promises . . ." We no longer stone people for being adulterers, we no longer believe that liars will burn in hell forever (do we?), so why should we believe that sexuality is the defining characteristic of what is orthodox or not about serving Christ? I think we may be failing to see that at many junctures in the history of the church there has been transformation through pain. It’s part of the deal when you follow a wounded healer I guess. Even in Acts there were diputes and ‘extreme’ actions – you don’t get much more extreme than reshaping a Jewish sect still focused on law in tension with grace into a multicultural movement focussed on grace and not ritualism or law. We forget that the church was born in tension as we try to idealise what we imagine we read in Acts – it was tough right from the start and it hasn’t ceased to be tough – we live in tension and as such we run to hide in our own little corners thinking that we have the truth or else we roll over and give up because it’s all to hard (I have done both on numerous occasions on my jagged journey of faith). I guess I am more inclined to feel less comfortable with groups gathering to demonize and fabricate bills that are ‘anti’ anything really. I’ve just finished writing some thoughts for an Advent Study on the theme of the continual coming of the Christ – this week it is the Affirming Christ – God’s “Yes” to humanity. Speaking about Christ Paul says in Corinthians 1 that “his nature is all YES. For in him is found the YES to all God’s promises . . .” We no longer stone people for being adulterers, we no longer believe that liars will burn in hell forever (do we?), so why should we believe that sexuality is the defining characteristic of what is orthodox or not about serving Christ?

]]> By: FLAK FROM ALL SIDES « Simon Marsh http://maggidawn.com/lesbian-bishop/comment-page-1/#comment-7429 FLAK FROM ALL SIDES « Simon Marsh Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:00:25 +0000 http://maggidawn.com/?p=2536#comment-7429 [...] via lesbian bishop – Maggi Dawn. [...] [...] via lesbian bishop – Maggi Dawn. [...]

]]> By: Tony B http://maggidawn.com/lesbian-bishop/comment-page-1/#comment-7427 Tony B Tue, 08 Dec 2009 13:39:45 +0000 http://maggidawn.com/?p=2536#comment-7427 I notice Ekklesia says "Williams is likely to be accused of speaking out against the extreme on one side but not the other.". In the world of the Church, giving a lesbian a job is "extremism" it seems. Doesn't that say it all? I notice Ekklesia says “Williams is likely to be accused of speaking out against the extreme on one side but not the other.”. In the world of the Church, giving a lesbian a job is “extremism” it seems. Doesn’t that say it all?

]]> By: Hugh http://maggidawn.com/lesbian-bishop/comment-page-1/#comment-7426 Hugh Tue, 08 Dec 2009 12:21:27 +0000 http://maggidawn.com/?p=2536#comment-7426 Sorry Maggi but I can't come up with an answer from my place outside the Anglican Communion. I am still unsure about the place of homosexuality within Christianity but what I won't do is indulge in infantile name calling and condemnation; instead I will accept as a brother and sister anyone who names Jesus as Lord - the rest is up to Him. Sorry Maggi but I can’t come up with an answer from my place outside the Anglican Communion. I am still unsure about the place of homosexuality within Christianity but what I won’t do is indulge in infantile name calling and condemnation; instead I will accept as a brother and sister anyone who names Jesus as Lord – the rest is up to Him.

]]> By: MacQ http://maggidawn.com/lesbian-bishop/comment-page-1/#comment-7425 MacQ Tue, 08 Dec 2009 09:09:10 +0000 http://maggidawn.com/?p=2536#comment-7425 I read in 'Beginnings and Endings' yesterday about your description of returning WW1 soldiers finding it difficult to relate to the Anglican church because of their experience in the trenches. From that came The Festival of Nine Lessons and Carols. I don't have any answer to the question you pose (and I've got to the stage in life that no answer is better than a bad answer!) but it strikes me that increasingly our society has no where to retreat from the trenches. No where peaceful, no where completely different, no where that runs in a different direction. They find the same standards, the same friction and fracture and the same solutions to resolving the same issues. Where are seekers to find the community of believers living in harmony, serving one another, living selflessly in communion and worship? I'm encouraged that out of the returning WW1 soldiers came a fresh expression of the simple gospel message and optimistic that these troubles will birth the same creative and beautiful expression of God's love for us, such as is seen in the Nine Lessons. Sorry Maggi, that didn't answer your question! I read in ‘Beginnings and Endings’ yesterday about your description of returning WW1 soldiers finding it difficult to relate to the Anglican church because of their experience in the trenches. From that came The Festival of Nine Lessons and Carols. I don’t have any answer to the question you pose (and I’ve got to the stage in life that no answer is better than a bad answer!) but it strikes me that increasingly our society has no where to retreat from the trenches. No where peaceful, no where completely different, no where that runs in a different direction. They find the same standards, the same friction and fracture and the same solutions to resolving the same issues. Where are seekers to find the community of believers living in harmony, serving one another, living selflessly in communion and worship? I’m encouraged that out of the returning WW1 soldiers came a fresh expression of the simple gospel message and optimistic that these troubles will birth the same creative and beautiful expression of God’s love for us, such as is seen in the Nine Lessons. Sorry Maggi, that didn’t answer your question!

]]> By: anon http://maggidawn.com/lesbian-bishop/comment-page-1/#comment-7424 anon Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:03:03 +0000 http://maggidawn.com/?p=2536#comment-7424 two churches two churches

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