New Frontiers and women

On July 15, 2008 / By maggi dawn / Reply

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  1. Tony B

    I do wonder what will happen to village/ small town churches that are currently attended almost exclusively by people over the age of 60, and where almost nothing bar Sunday services seems to happen.

  2. I suspect, Tony, that they will either morph into something different, or gradually close down. I think the reduction in number of small ageing communities meeting in large expensive buildings is simply impossible to support. All the same, the feeling of passion for the local parish church is sometimes underestimated. A small and poorly attended village Church I worked in near here was threatened with closure only a few years ago. Those who attended leafleted the village explaining the situation; the entire village got involved in fundraising to save their church, and through that project the attendance at Church, baptisms etc., rose over several years to see a thriving multi-generational community inside the Church as well as a repaired building with a sense of ownership by the entire village. So you never know…

  3. Tony B

    Food for thought. It seems a strange situation at the moment – the Rector is still very much at the centre of village life and involved in things that go on, but most of the things that go on are not really connected to the Church, and the Church is only attended by a small fraction of villagers. I think an awful lot of people have got “the wrong idea” about the Church – just like I had until recently.

  4. Hi Maggie – before I push back a little on part of what I sense you saying, let me say my own experience strongly connects with this proposition:
    how the concerns of Emerging are, in fact, emerging in different settings all over the place – messily, imperfectly and inunexpected places – which, in fact, is more faithful to the concept of emergence
    For people outside the em church or church bubble, emergence refers to the way complex systems and patterns arise out of a multiplicity of relatively simple interactions. These are messy, random, indigenous – even counter-intuitive.
    Now, my push back. I do not consider myself radical in any way (hell, I drive a mini-van), but I have lived my 44 years in a time when Church as we knew it has been in many cases decaying or dying. By Church, I do not mean local ‘ekklesia’ or “gathering” or the global organism to which Paul calls it in 1 Corinthians 12 “the body of Christ”. I mean much of the scaffolding and institutions that arise & fall around these bodies.
    And by dying, I do not mean the scientific construct of the end of the life of a biological organism. Instead, I sense hope in the new life emerging, in the rising again, as from decay or disuse. Certainly some of what has always been part of Jesus followers’ story is renewal, to restore or replenish. But I do know from my own studies and (more powerfully) the web of experiences I move in, that revival — revīvere to live again –, the messy transformative power that walks thru Via Dolores, sits in a tomb and surprises those walking on a road – well revival is a cornerstone of the story we re-member.
    As a person whose very DNA swims in currents of the liturgical seaons, my sense is that the Church (or the church) finds itself in some manifestations at a Holy Saturday moment, what the Dutch move thru as Silent Saturday. Those of us (like me) invested in the legacy momentum yearn to fast-forward the tape to Easter morn. There is no fast forward – our Liberating King has been executed. We know that, as y Welsh poet Dylan Thomas wrote, death has no dominion.
    The body of Christ is dying, dead & reviving – that is just the nature of that body.

  5. Hi Maggi Dawn,
    Great stuff here and in the most recent two posts. Thanks again for the link.
    I talked to Dave last night, and I’ll look forward to getting together over the summer when you’re here in the Seattle area.
    Tim

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